What do you think Aro's first thought was when he saw Carlisle on the battleground?

Oh, it was probably something like “oh my dear friend! How happy I am to see him! He looks well—not wasted away or weakened at all! And that woman with him must be Esme… hardly worthy of him!  I hope he gives me a valid excuse to spare his life when I kill all of his useless covenmates and recruit dear, sweet Alice for my own use!”

Do you think it is possible for vampires to fall out of love? I know that it's supposed to be impossible, but if a big enough event caused them to fall in love then can't a big enough event make them fall out of love? I just find it hard to believe that even when one completely betrays the other (4 example) that they would still feel about them as when they first fell in love with them. Sorry if this question doesn't make sense.

I’ve always had a hard time with that idea, too.  Like, if Esme went on a murderous spree and killed all of Forks and then was just like “oops! LOL, who cares!” about it… would Carlisle really still love her?  He would love her through accidental killings, but willful disregard for human life?

(And yes, I know Esme would never do that and the fact that she would never do that is probably a large part of WHY Carlisle loves her, but I was trying to make a point lol)

So, I would say yes, but it would have to be huge. It would have to be a betrayal on an epic scale.  Cheating alone probably wouldn’t even be big enough to break it. But I really don’t like the idea that your partner could do horrific things and you’d just have to shrug and be like “it literally doesn’t matter, I still love you.”  If Garrett killed Tanya, Carmen and Eleazar, would Kate really still love him? That seems absurd to me.

How do you interpret the whole "frozen" in time aspect of the vampires? I can't remember exactly how it is phrased in the books, but it seems like the vampires are permanently arrested in terms of personality as they were when they were turned. I think Edward compares it to the stone like hardness of their skin. To me, if this is actually the case, then it is not at all explored enough. Do you think this is meant to be true for vampires? The possibilities are horrifying.

"At the time that I had become a vampire, trading my soul and my mortality for immortality in the searing pain of transformation, I had truly been frozen. My body had turned into something more like rock than flesh, enduring and unchanging. My self, also, had frozen as it was—my personality, my likes and my dislikes, my moods and my desires; all were fixed in place."

That’s the quote.  As to what it means exactly… if you take it literally then yeah, it’s pretty horrifying. But I don’t think the story actually bears it out. They are clearly capable of change and not just in the romantic sense. There’s a line in Midnight Sun about Carlisle and Edward tweaking the temperature sensitive touch screens of computers. If they were truly frozen in their likes and dislikes, it’s probably unlikely that an Edwardian teenager and a 17th century would-be priest would be remotely interested in playing with touch screens, let alone taking them apart and ‘tweaking’ them.  Victoria’s from like the 1500s or something and when we meet her she’s walking around in hikers’ clothing, not 1500s costume.

I think it’s more metaphorically true? I think it’s a function of them not being able to forget anything. Carlisle remembers events from 1663 like they happened yesterday, they don’t fade with time, so they’re always a part of him. I sort of imagine that when he was studying in Europe in the 1700s or whenever, he took in great symphonies and operas and he remembers them in perfect clarity.  So modern music pales in comparison to that. He can’t forget the person he was in 1663 the way humans can drift away from the person they were 10, 20, 30 years ago.  Does that make any sense? Humans forget things. Vampires don’t.  So they carry it all with them, it’s always informing who they are, what they believe, even if it happened centuries ago. Edward’s stuck in a 1900-ish mindset because he can’t forget how he was raised and what he believed back then. It’s hard to evolve on issues when you remember clearly what it was like back then and why people believed what they believed.

So the big stuff doesn’t change. He believed in marriage. He believes in abstinence. He believes in God in some form or another. He probably even has the same favorite color. But he’s able to enjoy fast cars and Linkin Park and touch screen computers. Carlisle’s not still bleeding his patients with leeches, he’s able to embrace new treatments and theories, but he still has faith in God and hope for Heaven. So, IDK, I think Edward’s being his usual melodramatic self but I think there is some truth to it, by virtue of the fact they can’t forget anything so they can’t change in the same way humans can.

I don't know if you ever watched vampire knight but in this anime the vampires can sleep, they can eat human food, and there is a blood pill that they drink instead of real blood. And also the sunlight don't afect them, only let'em a little weak (+)

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if all of that was possible in twilight, how do you think it would affect the overall saga and the characters?

I think the likes of Carlisle and Rosalie would be a lot happier.  Their lives would be that much more human-like, they’d really appreciate it. Rosalie would still be upset she can’t have children (assuming that’s true of VK?) but overall their day-to-day existences would be better.  Even Edward couldn’t angst too much about a blood pill vs killing humans or animals.

I know some people think the lack of sleep in Twilight vampires is awesome, but personally I think it sounds horrible. Sometimes you just need to sleep, you know?  You need to curl up and relax and just shut off for a bit.  Reboot your system.  The idea of being conscious FOR ETERNITY weirds me out.  SM has said it would be great because you could get so much more done, but you’re immortal, you have plenty of time to get stuff done anyway.  The idea of just one constant never-ending day where you are always alert, always thirsty… no thank you.  Do not want.  Being able to sleep would make me personally feel a lot better about it.

Story-wise, it would have made Bella’s decision even easier, I guess, because her life would change even less than it did in BD.  And Edward wouldn’t be so tormented by the idea if there were pills/fake blood they could drink.  Probably a lot less angst and drama on the romantic side of things.

On vampires not being able to sleep in the Twilight world: I actually have always liked that aspect of vampirism in the books, because it seems so horrible and inhuman. It is kind of disappointing to hear that Stephanie views it as a positive thing. I feel like not being able to sleep really is a terrible thing. They live forever (theoretically at least) no need to have extra time. I liked that it wasn’t that they don’t have to sleep, but that they actually are incapable of sleep. Like their inability to produce tears, this struck me as a great aspect of vampirism, because it would seem like such a minor thing until you lived for hundreds of years without ever sleeping. Like all aspects of vampirism, Edward dislikes it. It would be interesting to see Bella consider it, further down the line. I think it is something that would be more and more painful as time went on. There are reasons beyond the physical that sleep deprivation is a form of torture. Sleep can be such a relief and comfort, it can let you momentarily escape from pain and suffering and it provides a certain structure to life. And as you said, since they are always thirsty, it just emphasizes that they are theoretically never again able to completely relax. The Cullens are all relatively young vampires. I wonder if the lack of sleep eventually effects their mental faculties. I mean i know that they may not technically need it, but their minds are still human in a way. What would the effect of never resting and processing as we (humans) normally do through sleep? Especially since their minds seem even more busy and chaotic than ours.

I’m totally with you! I think it’s a really awful, inhuman feature and that’s why I like it (I’m not interested in happy fairy tale vampirism), but it doesn’t come off that way in the story and I think for SM it came from a place of “I’m a busy mom without enough hours in the day to get stuff done wouldn’t it be great to not have to sleep?” 

But like I think of Jasper in Maria’s army.  There’s NO ESCAPE from it. He can’t nod off for a few hours and be free of the hate and violence and all those awful emotions he’s feeling.  Or newborn Carlisle, starving himself in the woods and having NO RESPITE from the thirst. He can’t just sleep for a few hours and forget the nightmare he’s living, he’s alert and aware all those 3-4 months he’s trying to starve himself to death.  THAT’S AWFUL :(   

I’m sure it seems great from Bella’s perspective because it allows her all this alone time with Edward while Nessie sleeps, but there are definitely downsides, and I do wonder if that’s part of what drives so many vampires insane.

Twilight Meme; Two Favorite Characters: Carlisle Cullen (2/2)

"I’m sure all this sounds a little bizarre, coming from a vampire. But I’m hoping that there is still a point to this life, even for us. It’s a long shot, I’ll admit. By all accounts, we’re damned regardless. But I hope, maybe foolishly, that we’ll get some measure of credit for trying."

I don't know if you ever watched vampire knight but in this anime the vampires can sleep, they can eat human food, and there is a blood pill that they drink instead of real blood. And also the sunlight don't afect them, only let'em a little weak (+)

if all of that was possible in twilight, how do you think it would affect the overall saga and the characters?

I think the likes of Carlisle and Rosalie would be a lot happier.  Their lives would be that much more human-like, they’d really appreciate it. Rosalie would still be upset she can’t have children (assuming that’s true of VK?) but overall their day-to-day existences would be better.  Even Edward couldn’t angst too much about a blood pill vs killing humans or animals.

I know some people think the lack of sleep in Twilight vampires is awesome, but personally I think it sounds horrible. Sometimes you just need to sleep, you know?  You need to curl up and relax and just shut off for a bit.  Reboot your system.  The idea of being conscious FOR ETERNITY weirds me out.  SM has said it would be great because you could get so much more done, but you’re immortal, you have plenty of time to get stuff done anyway.  The idea of just one constant never-ending day where you are always alert, always thirsty… no thank you.  Do not want.  Being able to sleep would make me personally feel a lot better about it.

Story-wise, it would have made Bella’s decision even easier, I guess, because her life would change even less than it did in BD.  And Edward wouldn’t be so tormented by the idea if there were pills/fake blood they could drink.  Probably a lot less angst and drama on the romantic side of things.

I'm not sure what scene to cut, but I feel like Alice's backstory should've been in Eclipse after Jasper's, since they went to search for her past in New Moon and it would be easy to roll from Jasper's backstory to Alice's. But honestly, I think each of the Cullen's backstory should've been in the movies. They really showed us what the characters were like and why.

Totally.  You know if Rosalie and Jasper hadn’t gotten their stories in Eclipse, I might not be bothered so much by Carlisle, Esme, Emmett and Alice not getting theirs told.  But it seems like if you’re going to tell some of the stories, then you should tell ALL of them, you know?  Carlisle’s is so so so important to the whole Cullen way of life and I think part of the reason people just see him as the “dad” is because his whole back story was left out of the movies, you miss out on a huge part of his character. Movie fans don’t even have any idea where he is from, how old he is, how he became a vampire.  People see him as this father-figure and patriarch, but that only makes up the last 1/4 of his life.  Esme has been “mom” her whole vampire life; Carlisle was a solo vampire marching to the beat of his own drum a lot longer than he’s been a family man. That’s just one part of him, but in the movies it’s pretty much all we get to see. 

Keeping Up With the Cullens - Episode 12, pt 2

I wouldn't cut any scene out of the movie. Instead I would add to the movie what is missing. Like Carlisle story for example.