bellatrixswandarm asked: In defense of Bree Tanner she WAS just a teen and you know how normal teens fall fast and furious in love. Bella being the obvious glorious obsession. I was also a little let down with Bree Tanner (loved the Volturi parts though) like the vampires just seemed so out there (taking down a freaking ship? really? even being traditional vampires that is odd) I also wonder about Jasper's experience. Could his newborns have been more vicous because of the time period they lived in?
I know it seems like newborns today would be more vicious because we are so desensitized to violence through movies, news video games, music, etc. But I always thought that may have been a factor. Plus they were all created around the same time whereas Riley/Victoria kind of spaced them out so there was less bloodlust/competition. Plus Jasper’s were actually warring with others all the time not waiting for the Cullens like Bree Tanner.
That’s an interesting thought, if the atmosphere was just that much different in the past. I think Maria was also pickier than Victoria was. Victoria would take just about anyone for her army, whereas if Jasper’s transformation is any indication, Maria was choosy and was looking for certain kinds of people to join her army. I think it says in the guide that normally someone like Charlotte wouldn’t have been picked but she wasn’t actively seeking territory at the time so she wasn’t as selective. Maybe it’s JASPER who has the wrong impression of newborns and the ones he fought with in the South were ‘bred’ to be more violent than other newborns? Then again we’re TOLD in Breaking Dawn that the Cullens shared stories of their “wild newborn days” with Bella, although we the audience don’t hear them so we can’t judge for ourselves just how ‘wild’ they were.
As for falling in love so quickly, I think it annoys me because if EVERYONE in the story does it, it loses its impact. Bree was very similar to Bella too, although this may have been intentional (her chapter in Eclipse is called “mirror” after all). She keeps to herself, likes to read, doesn’t like to make a fuss, falls in love hard and fast, is more aware of the secrets of her world than others…
I still find it amusing they picked Jasper of all characters for Breaking Dawn when he has like maybe four lines in BD part 1 and one of them is just “Possibly.” I feel like he’s reading BD like, “LOL I’m barely in this.”
rigantona asked: This is extremely random, but how did you feel about "The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner?" And also, how did you feel about Freaky Fred? Because for some odd reason it bothers me so much that here we have Freaky Fred and he lives and we are probably never going to read more about his story. And on another note, doesn't it bother you these characters are so dependent on that ONE person they love? Because it annoys me to no end. I felt like it was a let-down on Bree's character...
My overall impression of Bree Tanner is that Bree and Diego’s ‘romance’ happened way too fast and so I didn’t buy that Bree had nothing to live for without him after literally knowing him for like two days. SM has said in interviews that vampires don’t imprint, that they fall in love like normal humans, the only difference is once they fall in love they don’t fall out. But the Bree/Diego thing was so INSTANT. And the newborns were not nearly as wild and vicious as I had imagined. I liked the way Victoria and Riley were using the common myths about vampires against the poor kids, that was kind of clever, but they really just sat around in a basement all day playing video games and occasionally ripping an arm off? That’s all? IDK, after Jasper’s stories in Eclipse I was expecting more of newborns. Newborn Bella in BD was obviously a bust, but the newborns in Bree didn’t seem all that wild either.
It was fun to see the Cullens from a more objective POV though. How scary Jasper was from Bree’s perspective, how she could sense Carlisle and Esme’s good intentions, how unremarkable she found ‘the redhead’s’ looks. It was fun to see that from another vampire’s POV, Edward wasn’t necessarily the glorious angel of handsomeness that Bella saw him as. And I mean it makes sense, but it was fun to see. The Volturi’s involvement (or lack thereof) with the newborns was interesting too, but you’d have thought this would have come up in Breaking Dawn when they were questioning the V’s motives a bit more.
Freaky Fred… idk. I still don’t really understand what his power was supposed to be. Being repulsive I get, I don’t really understand how that’s a MENTAL gift or how it evolves into being basically invisible. I mean, if there’s a smelly drunk on the street you are repulsed by him, but you are definitely aware that he is there. His power was strange. I liked it better when the powers were more straight forward like Edward’s mind-reading or Jane’s pain. The more abstract they got, the less I believed in them.
But it is a shame his story is just dropped. Who knows what will happen to the poor guy.
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procrastinating-writer asked: So, I know it IS unrealistic and everything for Bella and Edward to get married after, what? Less than a year of dating? But I mean, look at Stephenie's marriage. Her and her husband got married nine months after they started talking to each other. I feel like people should take that into consideration and the fact that Stephenie might not see that as extreme as everyone else does.
Exactly. I think SM’s worldview and Mormon ‘culture’ has a big influence on the story, even if it is not intentional. I really don’t think she was trying to write Mormon propaganda as some people claim, I just think that she—like any of us!—is going to write what she knows. It’s common in her culture to marry after not dating all that long (partly, as I understand it, in order to be married quickly so as not to give in to the temptation of pre-marital sex).
I use the example all the time that I am from one of the whitest states in the USA. I live in one of the bigger, more diverse ‘cities’ in my state, and it’s still 95% white. So if I were writing a book, I’m sure everyone would think I was hugely racist because I wouldn’t have enough racial diversity. And it wouldn’t be intentional on my part, it would be because that’s the world I know.
Mormons in general tend to marry younger, and the faith has a huge emphasis on marriage and children. Combining family names into a new name (like Renesmee) is also fairly common, especially in Utah.
The problem is that Bella is not Mormon, and in our current culture it is weird to get married at 18 after dating on/off for a year and a half. One could argue it’s Edward’s influence and that people married younger in his time, but that’s only partly true. The average age of marriage in the early 1900 was 22. Sure, some people married in their teens, but it wasn’t as widespread as people imagined it was. (Likewise, the average age of marriage in England in Carlisle’s time was 26 for the common people—the upper classes would often marry much younger to insure inheritances and whatnot, but the average joes didn’t marry until they had some sort of financial independence).
So yeah, I do think to SM it probably didn’t seem as weird as it does to a lot of readers, but in our current culture E/B’s courtship and early marriage is very unusual.
dogchasingcars asked: Do you think that Meyer, kinda... let's say "bash" Rosalie on purpose on her books? I mean, I don't know too much about it, but it seems like Edward and Alice treats her not so good, right? Do you think that she is doing this in order to punish the characters that do not like Bella?
I sort of feel like characters who didn’t hold out for ~true love~ were punished, Rosalie among them.
Jasper fell under Maria’s charm instead of waiting for Alice and was punished by 90 years of war and death.
Esme didn’t waste 10 years of her life waiting for Carlisle and instead bowed to parental and societal pressure to marry. As punishment, her husband was abusive and her baby died.
Rosalie didn’t wait for true love and instead agreed to marry the man her parents chose for her. He and his friends then raped and beat her to death.
Jacob relentlessly pursued Bella, who was not his true love, and so was horribly injured in the newborn battle.
Tanya went after Edward, who obviously wasn’t her true love because he is Bella’s, and so ends up the only single member of the Denali coven in the end. Kate and Irina slept around too, but they didn’t go after someone else’s soulmate, so they got to find love (however fleeting on Irina’s part).
Emily tried to turn away from ~true love~ and as a result got her face mangled.
Bella saw true love, went after true love, refused to let go of true love, and because of that, everything ended up working out for her in a spectacular way. She skips the newborn period! She masters her power in like 2 weeks when Kate has been working on her gift for centuries! She’s born to be a vampire! Her half-vampire baby isn’t dangerous! Her human father is cool with all this weirdness as long as they don’t tell him too much! Wow!
I don’t know if this was actually intentional on SM’s part, but I can’t help but see this pattern.
I DO think the punishing of characters who didn’t like Bella was intentional, though. Such as Lauren being the victim of a modeling scam. There was no reason for that other than to punish her. Leah and Rosalie also get it pretty bad for not being on Team Bella.