I’m still torn on Rosalie… but maybe, like Jasper, is it an issue of vampirism changing her? I mean she clearly loved the attention and the social whirl of Rochester society when she was human. ”Admiration was like air to me, Bella.” She got her energy from other people and their admiration of her. But in the present day she’s pretty closed off and cold unless you really get to know her. She still likes her show-offy weddings but I’m assuming those are pretty small affairs with just family and close (vampire) friends attending? Was she faking extroversion as a human to be the girl her parents/society wanted her to be?
Esme I think is an extrovert. She’s really interested in people and families and their stories. She’s happiest when she has her whole big family together and she can shower them with love and affection. She doesn’t like the spotlight, though, she likes helping other people to shine. She’s a gracious hostess.
Emmett is obviously an extrovert. Next to “extrovert” in the dictionary is a picture of Emmett. He’s all about excitement and stimulation, he’s got no interest in quiet activities.
I can understand why people might see Carlisle as an extrovert—all those friends, a certain charm—but I really, really think at his core he’s an introvert. I’d even go so far as to say he’s probably an INFJ—they’re pretty rare, especially among males, but they’re like the prophets and visionaries and that’s always how I saw him, not as “Daddy” but as the inventor of this other way of life for vampires. Even in the books Edward and Aro refer to Carlisle’s “vision” and “path.” He loves and is good with people, but it comes from a place of deep introspection where he has developed this personal philosophy about what is right and good. He’s more concerned with sticking to his beliefs than finding acceptance. ”Beneath the quiet exterior, INFJs hold deep convictions about the weightier matters of life. Those who are activists — INFJs gravitate toward such a role — are there for the cause, not for personal glory or political power.” INFJs are sometimes mistaken for extroverts because of their people skills, too, so this totally works ;)
Of the wolves I think Sam was probably an introvert before being saddled with the Pack. I think he’d be happier having quiet evenings with Leah/Emily than hanging out with a bunch of rowdy boys. Embry was a little more introspective and quiet than the others too, if I recall? The rest of them are probably extroverts, loud and fun and diving head-first into the thrill of hunting vampires, woooooo!
(Leah’s a tough call kind of like Rosalie. She’s obviously no shrinking violet and has no problem expressing her opinion, but again…she’s pretty closed off.)
Aro’s an extrovert—he totally gets his energy from other people, even if it’s from dominating and manipulating them. lol. Unlike Carlisle (see above) he’s not in it for ‘the cause’ (‘The Law’) but in it for personal power and glory. As I’ve said before, I think he and Carlisle are two sides of the same coin which is why they were such close friends before but why ultimately they are at odds with each other.
I love this scene
Guys I might have ordered the complete Twilight Forever set yesterday. It was a cyber Monday deal. I don’t really want to talk about it. /shame
Expect screencaps of the 2 hours of new stuff in the near future. Shh.
midwinter-sun asked: Actually, again on Jasper: maybe he ~was extroverted, but then he joined the war. I know a lot of war veterans who became completely different people before they saw death and combat and blood. Or maybe I'm giving Stephanie Meyer a little too much credit for character development, haha.
That’s an interesting thought, too! That the war changed him. Although I think it’s said he didn’t see any real battle, that doesn’t mean the stress of it all or even just the atmosphere wouldn’t have had a profound effect on him, especially if he were already sensitive to the emotions around him.
It might just be because I’m such a Yankee and have stereotypical ideas about the South (especially the Old South) but when people describe Jasper as a Southern Gentleman that makes me think of an extrovert. They’re so charming and warm and hospitable and “what can I do for you, ma’am?” and inviting you in for sweet tea and telling stories etc. Up north we don’t go out of our way to talk to other people. But it might be more of the customs/culture than individual personality traits. I wish we knew more about human!Jasper. There’s really not much to go on, and the guide didn’t add anything at all. :( Either way I sort of imagine human!Jasper as more laid-back and sociable before the war/vampirism (might still have been introverted but less introverted than he is now), whereas it sounds, to me, like Carlisle was always introverted. Jasper ran away and enlisted young and rose through the ranks quickly because of his charisma. Carlisle was reluctant to take an active role in his father’s monster hunting but was “persistent” and “more clever than this father” and found REAL vampires. He studied and prepared rather than jumped into it.
now here’s the opinion:
Stephanie Meyer is actually not a bad writer at all!!!
the thing with Twilight books is how engulfed they are in sexy edward and the wish fuffillment romance (along with extra cheesiness bc she paired everyone up in the end including the baby), but theres a fuckload of great points! Rosalie AND Jasper got a lot of character development, Emmett is a lovable doofus, Charlie and Billy are genuinely badass, Jacob has an awesome sense of humor and IS a pretty good character up until the baby, the werewolves are actually pretty well characterised especially Leah who also got character development like hell, Volturies or however you spell are just AMAZING, Victoria is incredible, and the plot in books 3 and 4 and even a chunk of first two is actually really good,
her ideas are pretty awesome„ but you just need to look DEEP UNDER THE LAYERS OF GOD DAMN WISH FUFFILLMENT FANTASY TO UNCOVER A PRETTY EPIC STORY IN TWILIGHT
and that is why I love and hate twilight. It’s genuinely amazing and well thought out deep down but there are layers of BULLSHIT around it and aaaaaaaaaaargh
midwinter-sun asked: I think Carlisle was a definite introvert in Twilight - Eclipse (the man spent hundreds of years on his own and through that became a success — no one taught him to hunt animals and he didn't think it through with someone else, he came up with that lifestyle on his own), but in Breaking Dawn he all of a sudden had hundreds of vampire best buddies and whatnot… I think Jasper is also an introvert. Charisma is usually attributed to extroverts, but most debaters/talk show hosts are introverted (1/2)
(2/2) because public speaking can be considered a creative outlet, the art of giving a good speech — a way for introverts to “recharge the social meter.” On the other hand, he also ran away to join the army — a group, and he has the ability to sense emotions… then again, as an introvert, I can tell you that the ability to sense emotions would be an absolute joy. It’d relieve SO much stress
I saw Carlisle as an introvert too. There’s no way, IMO, that an extrovert would have been able to cope with being alone for 250+ years. He would have joined up with another coven or created his own looooong before 1918 if he was the type of person who needed to be around other people to feel energized. He has a very strict set of inner values and beliefs that he lives by—he chose those inner values (all life is precious) over company/acceptance (he could have stayed with the Volturi if he was so lonely and desperate for company). Not to mention that his hobbies are collecting/reading books and collecting art. And in New Moon, when speaking about his loneliness, he said how he only wanted ONE other person who really knew him. Just one. That’s pretty introverted to me. ESME needs/wants a big family around her, but I think Carlisle would have been just fine if it had stayed just him, Esme and Edward forever. He’s a thinker. He’s the one with the theories. He leads by example, not by force or soaring rhetoric. The 23949023423 friends in Breaking Dawn seemed weird to me. Yeah, he’s a nice guy, but where did all these people suddenly come from?? I guess, though, since he only sees them once a century having lots of friends is not all that important to him. lol
Jasper is definitely an introvert in the present day. I’m not sure about when he was human. I mean if he was so charismatic to sway people to his way of thinking to an almost superhuman level. .. IDK that seems like a very extroverted way of relating to other people. And running away to join the army is pretty extroverted in that action-oriented way. But since we don’t actually see human!Jasper maybe he was introverted as a human too. I’m just curious if his introversion is a result of his vampirism or if he was always that way? But yeah what we are shown of him in the books/movies is definitely an introvert.
I’m reading the book Quiet right now, so I have to ask: which Twilight characters do you think are extroverts and which are introverts? And it’s really not about being loud/outgoing vs quiet/shy.
Extroverts tend to “fade” when alone and can easily become bored without other people around. When given the chance, an extrovert will talk with someone else rather than sit alone and think. In fact, extroverts tend to think as they speak, unlike introverts who are far more likely to think before they speak. Extroverts often think best when they are talking. Concepts just don’t seem real to them unless they can talk about them; reflecting on them isn’t enough.
Introverts are more concerned with the inner world of the mind. They enjoy thinking, exploring their thoughts and feelings. They often avoid social situations because being around people drains their energy. This is true even if they have good social skills. After being with people for any length of time, such as at a party, they need time alone to “recharge.”
Some of them seem pretty obvious to me. Alice, Emmett, Jacob seem pretty extroverted, and Bella is clearly an introvert. Some of the others are trickier. Rosalie doesn’t let people in, but she loves being the center of attention. So where does she fall? Carlisle’s thoughtful and soft spoken and loves collecting books and art. .. but he also has a lot of friends. Jasper was naturally charismatic—usually, but not always, an extroverted trait—in his human life, but seems pretty reserved now as a vampire. The Pack seem mostly extroverted (almost by necessity, given how closely they have to work together/sharing thoughts), but are there any introverts in the group?
lkgl96 asked: Has anyone ever commented what would happen if a wolf imprinted on like a psychopath? They have a man how is basically superman in human form and then can turn into a giant wolf as well? The shapeshifter is under their complete control. The only people that can stop them are vampires, shapeshifters, and Children of the Moon, which are pretty much extinct.
I think SM would say “Well they wouldn’t imprint on a psychopath because they only imprint on their ~true match~ and a psychopath wouldn’t be a true match for anyone.” But… she also says how RANDOM it is, like she said (prior to BD) that Quil imprinting on a 2-year-old was just a ‘funny’ way of showing how random it is, so why couldn’t they randomly imprint on a psychopath? It would be a disaster. Even if the psychopath wasn’t a violent one, just the idea that she wouldn’t care about other people and would have no qualms about manipulating her own personal superhero/monster to do whatever she wanted is dangerous and scary!
Or not even a psychopath necessarily. Power corrupts. The whole idea of imprinting and literally having to do/be whatever someone else needs/wants is really, really trusting on the part of the girl, isn’t it? It could start innocent, “Sam go get me some ice cream” and escalate from there. And with children like Claire and Nessie, they are going to grow up with this dynamic being a part of their lives (this is why I really can’t believe fanfics where the premise is “omg Nessie is all grown up and had no idea Jacob imprinted on her.” Dude, she calls him “My Jacob” and she’s ‘smarter than most adults’ and Edward is already calling Jacob “my son.” She totally understands what is going on.), this is going to seem NORMAL to them. And Claire especially, like, damn she’s just a normal toddler, she doesn’t even have Nessie’s intelligence/maturity. She doesn’t understand that actions have consequences at that age. What might she innocently ask him to do “Quil get me that toy!” that might have consequences (Quil doesn’t have the money. Quil steals it) she doesn’t understand?
I mean, look. I’m not wild about this whole “instant bond at first sight” thing when it comes to imprinting, but I could live with it. It’s the LOSS OF FREE WILL that really horrifies me. Free will is what makes us human. It’s what makes us who we are. Hell, free will is the ONLY reason this story even exists, because it’s what allows the Cullens to be “good” vampires. Free will is why Carlisle chose NOT to be like other vampires and free will is why the other Cullens chose to follow his example. But the wolves have their free will stripped from them in two ways: The Alpha Order and Imprinting. Why? SM says the theme of the story is ‘choice’ but the wolves really don’t have much of a choice.