Exactly.  That’s my problem too.  When people are like “it’s not gross!  He’s just like a big brother to her now!” I’m like, THAT’S THE PART THAT GROSSES ME OUT!  The fact they see this little girl as like a daughter/sister/niece, and then someday will want to marry her and have sex with her is EXACTLY the part the grosses me out. lol.  How do you flip that switch?  How do you go from seeing her as a relative to protect and watch grow to a lover?

I suppose if like, say, Jacob saw Renesmee and imprinted, and knew right away when she grew up he would love her, and then he GOT OUT OF HER LIFE and waited for her to grow up I’d feel better about it.  Like he can come to her birthday parties I guess.  But the fact that he’s there all along, that he literally helped deliver her, that he’s held her as a baby and everything, and will be there every step of the way as she grows up makes me really uncomfortable.  THAT’s what makes it so yucky to me. 

“Aww you two are so cute, how did you meet?”
“I knew she was the one for me the first minute I laid eyes on her!”
“Omg so romantic!! How long ago was that?”
“Oh, about 5 minutes after she was born.  We’ve been inseparable ever since.”
“… uh…”

I mean I get what SM was going for.  That it’s like a connection between ~souls~ and the age doesn’t matter.  It’s pure and holy and love in its truest form.  It’s like what’s-his-name in the Host still loving Wanderer when she’s a silvery little centipede … thing.  But it’s icky to think that Quil taught Claire how to tie her shoes or sing the alphabet and they will be a couple someday.  It’s creepy that Jacob has fed Renesmee out of a bottle (blood, no less) when she was a helpless newborn .  I KNOW it’s not sexual now.  The yucky part is that someday they WILL see these children they helped raised in a sexual/romantic way, and that’s not healthy or natural at all.

I agree—it’s weird and creepy and I don’t know how outside observers could be okay with it.  I get that from the wolves’ ~pack mind~ all the other wolves would know the purity of it.  But Claire’s parents aren’t wolves.  They aren’t even Quileute, are they?  Isn’t she Makah like Emily?  Why on earth would they think this was okay or believe some stories about mystical soulmates?

I’m sure SM intended it as innocent and sweet and funny.  But . . it looks bad.  Any normal parents would think it looked bad.  I mean look at how Bella flipped out about Jacob and she knew all about it!

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I think it was mostly to set up for Jacob/Renesmee.  When Eclipse was released, SM passed it off as something “funny” and a way to demonstrate how random imprinting was:  “That was something that just was an entertaining part of the story for me, not so much significant, it was a good way to illustrate how senseless imprinting is.  That it’s not about seeing a girl that you’re into, it’s just beyond your control.  And it was a fun part of the story, it’s a fun way to imagine how the process works.”

So she basically lied and said it wasn’t significant, just for the LULZ, so that no one would guess that Jacob would imprint on a child.  Just like she heavily implied that vampires couldn’t have children so no one would guess that Bella would get pregnant.  I think part of the reason Breaking Dawn came back and bit her in the butt as much as it did is not so much because she wanted to keep the plot secret, but because she actively misled people. 

Oh, imprinting on children doesn’t mean anything, it’s not important.  Oh, vampires can’t have children, all their body fluids are venom and their bodies can’t change, so no.  Oh, giving up your humanity is a big deal, Bella really has to think hard about the consequences of her choices.   And then we get Breaking Dawn that contradicts all of that.   THAT’s the problem.  If she had just said, oh I can’t answer that question yet.  Or “book four will explain more about X, Y and Z,” there might not have been as much of a backlash.

That’s exactly my problem with it.  I don’t particularly want her to imprint on ANYONE (free will ftw!!!) but her imprinting on an immortal means she will have to keep phasing forever and be a wolf for all eternity and never have a normal life and that’s not what she wanted!

BELLA wanted to be immortal and beautiful and live forever.  She chose it.  Jacob didn’t get a choice, and in these Leah/Nahuel fics, Leah doesn’t get a choice either, and THAT’s my problem.  Nahuel could be the nicest guy ever and absolutely perfect for her, but I just can’t ever see it as “YAY they get to be together FOREVER hearts&rainbows!!” which is what I think SM intended for E/B and Jake/Ness, because I can’t get away from the idea that immortality sucks.  Immortality with your true love sucks less, but immortality itself still sucks. 

If Nahuel could become human or something I’d feel better about it.  Then they could have a real life together.  Still not wild about the lack of free will, though.

I don’t like the imprinting on children thing in general, but yeah, pretty much ANYONE OTHER THAN JACOB would have been better.  Collin and Brady weren’t bitching to Leah about how imprinted wolves “don’t belong to themselves anymore” and how it’s “just another way of having your choices taken away” and “what’s wrong with falling in love the normal way?”  Jacob was set up as someone who hated imprinting and never changed his tune.  He never came to see it as a great thing until he imprinted himself and then didn’t have any choice about his feelings about it, they were dictated by the ~magic.   THAT’s why I think it’s terrible he imprinted.  It’s the same reason Bella having it so easy as a vampire was a let down:  why was everyone telling her how awful it would be when it ends up being easy?  Why was Jacob railing against imprinitng if that was his happy ending destiny?

I think any of the wolves imprinting, while still kind of a deus ex machina lazy resolution, would have solved the “we want to kill the monster baby” situation.  And it would have been more dramatic to have Jacob still against the baby and against Bella as a vamp but having his hands tied by the pack laws about harming an imprint.  I think it would have been less rainbows and flowers and thus more interesting. 

Nope.

Look, the only way Jacob imprinting on Renesmee is a happy ending is if “All You Need is Love!” is true.  If all you need to be happy is True Mystical Soulmate love, then I guess it’s a happy ending.  But that’s not what the story shows us.  Rosalie has True Mystical Vampire Love with Emmett, and it’s not, in her own words, a happy ending.  Carlisle has True Mystical Vampire Love with Esme, but he’s still worried about dooming her and the others to life he never wanted himself.  And even for Edward and Bella.  True Mystical Love wasn’t enough for a happy ending—SM had to make Bella a natural vampire, give her a baby, keep her father in her life, keep Jacob, and have her be a superhero at the Volturi confrontation for her to have a happy ending.

So, no, I don’t think the premise that Jacob has True Mystical Imprinting Love equals a happy ending is gonna fly.  Not when Jacob hated imprinting and thought it was “just another way of having your choices taken away.”  Not when it means he has to abandon his ill father in favor of being obsessed with the safety and well-being of a half-vampire child who already has 8 vampires protecting her.  The Quileutes are a small tribe and the idea that Jacob will have to leave his ancestral home to follow Renesmee and the Cullens around for eternity is a big deal.  The fact that he’s doomed to an immortal life surrounded by vampires when all he wanted was a normal human life doesn’t help either.

Basically Jacob imprinting on Renesmee betrayed everything that Jacob was about. Jacob was all about free will and choosing humanity.  His “happy ending” is having his free will stripped from him and being forced into a supernatural existence forever.

It’s not a happy ending for Jacob; it’s a happy ending for BELLA who now NEVER has to give up her so-called best friend.

Naming it Edward Jacob is hugely insensitive to both Edward and Jacob, I agree.   And why does the boy get named after the two of them but the girl is named after the grandparents?  Hell, Rene (one e at the end) is a MALE name in French, could have named the kid Rene Charlisle.  Or why wasn’t the girl named Edwarda Jacobina?

And Jacob/Renesmee is just yucky no matter how I try to look at it.  It is.  I know SM didn’t intend it to be, I think she really meant it as a pure and innocent “I’ve loved you since the moment you were born <3” thing, but… eww.  That’s not how love and attraction work in healthy people.  If Renesmee grows up thinking of Jacob as a brother/uncle/family, she would ALWAYS see him that way and never develop sexual feelings for him.  Likewise if Jacob sees her as a daughter/niece/little sister, he shouldn’t ever have sexual/romantic feelings for her either.   That’s what I find so yucky about the situation.  How do they flip that switch from “family” to “lover?”  Defenders of imprinting on children always say “he’s not a pedo!  He’s like a big brother to her now, only later will he have romantic feelings for her” and I’m like THAT IS WHAT IS GROSS.   How do you go from “brother” to “lover?” 

You have Quil and Jacob being there when these girls are so little.  They are helping them learn to read and tie their shoes and ride a bike, but someday they will marry them and have children together, and help those children learn to read and tie their shoes and ride a bike.  That doesn’t bother anyone?  It’s freaky and weird.

Probably Leah.  I really don’t see SM making Seth gay.  The whole “Still Not as Gay as Twilight” meme bugs the crap out of me because a) ‘gay’ is not an insult and b) Twilight is HUGELY heteronormative.  It’s all about falling in love with an opposite sex partner, getting married, and having a family and a house with a white picket fence fairytale cottage. I mean you can read between the lines and argue that Aro or the Amazons or whoever might be gay, but as presented in the text, SM obviously meant everyone to be straight.  I mean from SM’s POV, Aro has a wife he loves soooo much he locks up in a tower to protect her.

So yeah, I think if it were EJ, it would have been Leah who imprinted.  And it still would have artificially solved everything, and I still would have been really upset by it (and man that would be one weird family, with Charlie’s step-daughter marrying his grandson some day…) but it couldn’t go that way because it wouldn’t have solved Jacob’s heartache and thus absolved Bella from feeling guilty about hurting him.  The whole thing is so contrived so Bella doesn’t have to feel bad about anything.  She doesn’t have to feel bad about choosing Edward, because in doing so she brought Jacob’s true soulmate into the world.  She doesn’t have to feel bad about becoming a vampire because she has perfect control, a power that protects everyone, and Sue Clearwater will take care of Charlie.  So yeah, it had to be Renesmee/Jacob—not because it’s a happy ending for Jacob so much as it absolves Bella of whatever guilt she had about that situation.  Him falling in love with a normal girl the normal way wouldn’t have been about Bella, so that couldn’t fly.

loverofeverythingsweet:

Dude I loved the Twilight series but if Stephanie continues it with Jacob and the monster known as Nessie I’ll go to her house and beat her to death with the book. Twilight was good. It was. But stop trying to milk it for more money. It never works and in the end it only makes your original fans hate you and the new book.

Very few Jacob or wolf pack girls like what she did with Jacob and although it was tolerable when she’s a little girl and they’re not doing anything we’ll lose our fucking shit if they start doing things like making out or having sex. We. will lose. our fucking. shit.

This isn’t just me, I’m regurgitating what a lot of Jacob/wolf pack fans have said. And even some of the pixie vampire lovers agree with us.

But alas, if Stephanie thinks she’ll make some kind of money off of it she’s going to keep making her stories. All I know is if Jacob and Nessie have some kind of- “child” Seth better fucking not imprint on her. He better fucking not.

My greatest fear for the future of the series—and I am not even kidding—is that Jacob and Renesmee have twins (twins run in Jacob’s family, check out his family tree in the guide) and it’s a boy and a girl and Seth AND Leah will imprint on them.  D: D: D:

I hope I’m wrong but the signs are kind of there… why else are Seth and Leah still unattached when just about every other major wolf (other than Embry) has imprinted? Why do twins run in Jacob’s family?  Why did she make a point of saying Jacob and Renesmee have the same number of chromosomes if she doesn’t intend for them to reproduce?